We Love a Good Cemetery, Mispronouncing Swedish Names, and Biker Bars in a Good Way
Summary
This week, Amanda Miles, Sloane Spencer, and Kim Ware settle in for a deeper conversation about the music getting us through the mess of current American politics. We start by talking about the long history of music and creativity in protest movements, sparked by Ann Powers’ article about where all the protest songs have gone lately, and whether they’ve actually disappeared or just taken new forms.
From there, we trade the songs currently living on repeat in our headphones. A theme quickly emerges: comfort. The kind of music that steadies you when everything feels beyond us. Think the emotional pull of Jason Isbell, the warm, lived-in sound of Waxahatchee, and the storytelling power that artists like Tyler Childers and Courtney Marie Andrews bring to the table.
Along the way we talk about that tricky balance in our listening habits right now, when you want music that lets you feel the anger, but also something that softens the edges of the day.
Pour yourself something good, settle in, and join us for a thoughtful, easy-going conversation full of sharp observations, a few laughs, and plenty of appreciation for the songs helping us cope, reset, and stay connected.
Catch Our Tastemaker Playlists
Bands Featured in Episode 4
Venues and Festivals Mentioned
- Fest, Gainesville, FL
- Shoals Fest, Muscle Shoals, AL
- The Cave, Chapel Hill, NC
- Coca Cola Amphitheater, Birmingham, AL
- Neighborhood Theatre, Charlotte, NC
- Orange Peel, Asheville, NC
- Radio Room, Greenville, SC
- Red Rocks, Morrison, CO
- Tribbles, Piedmont, SC
The Regulars
Musicians & More Also Mentioned in this Episode
- The Ann Powers article about protest music
- Healing Appalachia
- Amanda Shires
- Angel Olsen
- David Childers
- Dillon Fence
- Drive-By Truckers
- JPhono1
- Michael Cera Palin
- MJ Lenderman
- Martha Davis (The Motels)
- My Chemical Romance
- Rage Against the Machine
- Rickie Lee Jones
- StereoLab
- Tedeschi Trucks Band
- Tift Merritt
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Welcome to the Dive Bar Music Club podcast, where the guest hosts drop in and out, but the opinions are always passionate and the playlists loud.
Speaker A:It's like cheers if everyone at the bar had a strong take on 90s alt rock or a suspicious number of burned CDs.
Speaker A:Around our table, you'll find an emerging touring songwriter, a former cult band favorite whose work since then is even more interesting, a portrait photographer with a not so secret metal penchant, a record store owner who learned about Swifties the hard way, a retired folk singer who regrets nothing, and a zine maker with more cool music projects than we can count.
Speaker B:We're all just here to share what
Speaker A:we're currently obsessed with and maybe convince someone that, yes, that weird Icelandic synth folk band is worth a listen.
Speaker A:Okay, that last one's probably me, Sloan Spencer.
Speaker B:It's Dive Bar Music Club.
Speaker A:Low key, high taste happy hour for music nerds.
Speaker B:Well, hey, y', all, thanks for sliding back in the booth with us here at Dive Bar Music Club, joined by some new friends today.
Speaker B:Amanda Miles slides on in.
Speaker B:We've actually mentioned you in a previous episode.
Speaker B:Your ears might have been burning.
Speaker B:I'll tell you about it in a sec.
Speaker B:And Kim Ware is back as well.
Speaker B:On our previous episode that they have not had a chance to hear yet, we were talking a little bit about the role of music in everything that is going on in the world right now as I wave my hands, talking specifically about our country and the federal incursion that has been going on in Minneapolis and across our country against people who live here.
Speaker B:And the conversation came up about what is the role of music and creativity in this right now.
Speaker B:And after I recorded that previous episode, Ann Powers put out a fantastic piece writing specifically about where is the protest music today.
Speaker B:And I think that she really put words to the movement and the role of creativity and songwriters specifically in what is happening.
Speaker B:So I encourage anyone who's listening and who heard that previous episode go read Ann Powers piece.
Speaker B:I will link to it in our notes.
Speaker B:But as we all are choosing the music that we've been listening to lately, I've been finding myself leaning more and more into music that brings me comfort in different ways.
Speaker B:And I'm wondering where you all are on feeling about this.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, I definitely, I've been listening to a lot of vinyl and so I've been listening to a lot of kind of older music and I've been like, watching a lot of, like, TV shows that I'm nostalgic about too.
Speaker C:So I, I think it's possibly because of that comfort level.
Speaker C:And then the songs that I brought for today, I mean, that's newer music, but it's definitely like, it's got a vibe that's just like kind of soothing to me.
Speaker C:And I think it's.
Speaker C:That's probably why, like you said, the, like just gesturing wildly in the sky.
Speaker C:Like I just need something to kind of escape from that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I'm looking forward to talking about the music you brought specifically, but I feel that about the vibe of the three songs you chose.
Speaker B:How about you, Amanda?
Speaker D:Oh, I absolutely agree with what Kim said.
Speaker D:Like, I find myself really leaning into comfort and sometimes escapism right now.
Speaker D:Something where I can pick a moment and even disassociate sometimes.
Speaker D:But I'm absolutely like leaning into my.
Speaker D:My favorite artist.
Speaker D:Like when I'm listening to music or even like what Kim mentioned, finding those comfort shows, I always go back to some.
Speaker D:Some older ones like Parenthood or like Gossip Girl.
Speaker D:Just very old stuff that I can tap into and just feel that immediate comfort.
Speaker B:It's interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because at first I was.
Speaker B:I was feeling more like.
Speaker B:You used the term a while back, Amanda.
Speaker B:Of rage music.
Speaker B:And that's where I was.
Speaker B:And I was like wanting really in your face music that was like, you know, it all basically.
Speaker B:And as I've been sitting with it for a while now, I'm definitely finding myself in that comfort zone and specifically with two of my all time favorite bands and just like deeply calms me.
Speaker B:So I'm.
Speaker B:I am fascinated finding myself here because I wouldn't have described myself as a person that would end up in that spot.
Speaker B:I'm more of like the hothead.
Speaker C:Well, you know, if you're head, I mean, I just.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Not that I know that much about psychology.
Speaker C:I'm kidding.
Speaker C:I get.
Speaker C:Hopefully I do.
Speaker C:But I mean, maybe you are.
Speaker B:You are in that field.
Speaker C:No, I mean, even if you are a hothead, I think it's like it seems like we're surrounded by that vibe.
Speaker C:So I can see how even you would still want something that just kind of like lowers the anxiety levels, I guess.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's exactly it for me.
Speaker B:You know, it's not like we're here to fix me, but I've certainly been trying to fix me.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's certainly part of it.
Speaker C:We need it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:I could definitely.
Speaker D:Like when you mentioned rage music, like I've been.
Speaker D:I've been in both places.
Speaker D:Like, I was thrilled to see the lead singer of Rage against the Machine showing up in Minneapolis and taking part in the protest.
Speaker D:And I can deeply relate to that music now as we're watching our government become authoritarian and essentially feeling like our own government is out, you know, is out to get us.
Speaker D:And that in many ways they are so like tapping into that rage and figuring out how we can use it.
Speaker D:And then also I think that we are surrounded by so much bad that there's only so much that the human mind can take.
Speaker D:And that is where we kind of step away and lean into the comfort music.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:So, Amanda, I know for sure, because you've mentioned it on your bio episode, that at least one of these artists that you've chosen for this week is someone who is one of your favorites.
Speaker B:And deep comfort music for you.
Speaker B:So what have you been listening to and how have you ended up there this week?
Speaker D:Absolutely.
Speaker D:One of my favorite artists of all time is Jason isbell and the 400 unit.
Speaker D:And in particular, the song I chose this week from, from Jason is from his recent solo record.
Speaker D:It's an acoustic record called Foxes in the Snow.
Speaker D:And so the song from that album I chose is Wind behind the Rain.
Speaker D:And it's a beautiful ballad.
Speaker D:He wrote it actually for one of his siblings weddings.
Speaker D:And I love.
Speaker D:I just love the imagery in the song because it taps into like it says, I'll be the wind behind the rain.
Speaker D:And it also, it talks about how the.
Speaker D:The sun and the moon and the sun will always be there in the afternoon.
Speaker D:There's just so much like warm and happy, comforting lyrics.
Speaker D:So I've.
Speaker D:I've definitely been listening to this song on repeat.
Speaker D:And my other songs are kind of in that same sort of vein, like, same sort of genre in that they are like indie Americana.
Speaker D:Been listening a lot to Waxahachie.
Speaker D:The second song is right back to it, Waxahachie featuring MJ Linderman.
Speaker D: So this is a song from: Speaker D:Like there's.
Speaker D:It says a rootsy, like, rootsy urban vibe and just something about it.
Speaker D:If you've ever heard the term Frisian before, sometimes there's a song that taps into something inside you and you can't quite describe that feeling.
Speaker D:And that song gives me that.
Speaker D:Gives me that feeling.
Speaker D:It's just like a happy, ecstatic, deep.
Speaker D:Like it feels like it's touching part of your soul, Frisian.
Speaker D:And so this song definitely taps into that for me.
Speaker D:And then the third song does tap into rage a little bit in a very, like, quirky, funny way.
Speaker D:And that Is Tyler Childer's biting list very funny, very quirky?
Speaker D:I love Tyler Childers, and I love also that he is a progressive country artist who has no qualms about standing up for what he believes in.
Speaker D:And this song is such a funny, cool way to kind of like, call out the people that you are.
Speaker D:The people that you have an issue with is.
Speaker D:He says, if I ever had rabies, you'd be high on my Biden list.
Speaker D:So it's been perfect.
Speaker D:Right now.
Speaker D:It's just something fun to also tap into that rage side of everything that's happening right now.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:And this is fun because we've kind of talked around these artists on some other episodes.
Speaker B:So, Kim, are you familiar with any of these folks or these songs?
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm familiar with all three of them, actually.
Speaker C:And love Waxahachie.
Speaker C:Love that song.
Speaker C:I love MJ Linderman also.
Speaker C:But, yeah, I'm.
Speaker C:I'm a fan of that kind of music, for sure.
Speaker C:I'm not as familiar with Tyler Childers.
Speaker C:I hear his name all the time.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:It seems like he's much beloved, and I don't know why I haven't spent a lot of time with his music.
Speaker C:I should, because I'm sure he's amazing.
Speaker C:But the other two definitely spent lots of time with Jason, Isbel and Mike.
Speaker C:Sigh.
Speaker C:For sure.
Speaker B:There's so much great music out there.
Speaker B:It's overwhelming.
Speaker B:And I was talking in the previous episode that there's no way to possibly listen to everything you want to listen to.
Speaker B:And so that's kind of some of the idea behind this particular show of having us talk about, like, just three particular songs so that it's easy for people to tap in and be like, yep, that did it for me, or, nope, that's not for me.
Speaker B:And be like, the.
Speaker B:It's okay.
Speaker B:You can't do it all.
Speaker B:And that's, like.
Speaker B:It's totally cool.
Speaker B:I love some of these ones that you've chosen because they are so much in the wheelhouse of breaking the stereotypes of who we are and what we believe as Southerners.
Speaker B:We're not all intentionally Southerners, but most of us are.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's been.
Speaker C:I feel like that's.
Speaker C:Well, like, Drive By Truckers does that a lot, too.
Speaker C:You know, they.
Speaker C:Speaking of Isbull.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker C:Like, they're not afraid to just, like, really bring it as far as, like, the political views here lately, and they're like, more recent stuff, you know?
Speaker C:And I don't know.
Speaker C:Do you guys, like, ever listen.
Speaker C:Listen to Trey Crowder and his.
Speaker C:His podcast.
Speaker C:Well, read.
Speaker D:Oh, yes.
Speaker B:Comedian.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it seems like that we didn't used to see that as much.
Speaker C:Like, people who are really, really, really Southern, like, unapologetically Southern.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:But at the same time, unapologetically, like, hey, this crap going on right now is.
Speaker C:I. I'm not behind that, you know, And I think that's really cool.
Speaker B:One of my good friends, and I won't name him because I haven't asked for permission to say this story, but I'll share the story without the name.
Speaker B:It's a drummer for a punk band based out of Georgia, and he made just a super funny post about a year ago saying, y' all clearly missed the message of Dukes of Hazzard.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:It's just like, for those of us.
Speaker B:Especially those of us in our 50s, like, it was just such a pointed statement to a specific group of people, and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker D:Spot on.
Speaker D:I think I've been seeing a couple memes lately that are, you know, saying, like, my Appalachian grand granddaddy didn't haul moonshine for all of us to become bootlickers.
Speaker D:And I'm like.
Speaker C:I'm like.
Speaker D:I'm like, oh, that's like.
Speaker D:That's a sharp way to put it, but absolutely.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But, yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, man.
Speaker B:I want to loop back to your songs in just a sec, But, Kim, what have you been listening to?
Speaker C:Well, yeah, like I said, I've been into kind of some.
Speaker C:Some more mellow stuff.
Speaker C:I don't know if it's because it's, like, winter, and I've been kind of sad because I tend to be like that in the winter.
Speaker C:But lots of new stuff from ladies.
Speaker C:Like, everything that I brought for this episode, it's.
Speaker C:It's all new music, and it's all by ladies.
Speaker C:So the first one is Courtney Marie Andrews.
Speaker C:The track I picked is called Little Picture of a Butterflies, off her most recent album, which was just released a few weeks ago.
Speaker C:The album's called Valentine, and I had heard her before, but never really dug into her stuff all that much.
Speaker C:But something about this new album is just.
Speaker C:It's beautiful.
Speaker C:She plays flute on this song.
Speaker C:Like, this song definitely has a vibe.
Speaker C:It starts out, like, super mellow, and it's very, like, orchestral, and then drums kick in, I guess maybe about, like, a third through the song, and it picks up a little, and it kind of shifts, and it's really, really cool.
Speaker C:To me, her vocals on this album are just amazing.
Speaker C:I mean, it's.
Speaker C:It's so beautiful.
Speaker C:Reminds me a little bit of Tiff Merritt and Angel Olson, two, like, really amazing singers.
Speaker C:And I read that this album was recorded to tape, which is cool because it's definitely got sort of like a.
Speaker C:A throwback kind of vibe to it, I think.
Speaker C:So, yeah.
Speaker C:I love it.
Speaker C:I love the whole thing.
Speaker C:That was the only artist that I brought for this episode that I was familiar with already.
Speaker C:The other two were brand new to me.
Speaker C:One, her name is Amanda Bergman.
Speaker C:She's Swedish.
Speaker C:The name of her album is.
Speaker C:Is this how you said you'd be gone?
Speaker C:And I brought a song called Embraced for a second as we die.
Speaker C:I'm obsessed with this album.
Speaker C:Like, I just find myself when I'm like, a little.
Speaker C:I don't know, not necessarily bored, because I'm never bored.
Speaker C:I'm always too busy.
Speaker C:But if I'm just kind of.
Speaker C:If I need something, like, in the background, and I'm like, what I want to listen to most of the time here.
Speaker C:Lately, it's been this album, it's just.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:To me, it's like late 70s, early 80s stuff.
Speaker C:Some of it reminds me of Ricky Lee Jones a little bit.
Speaker C:Like, just the instrumentation, I think.
Speaker C:And I love her, but her.
Speaker C:Her voice sounds to me like Martha Davis from the Motels a little bit, which is great, but just really different, you know?
Speaker C:And like I said, I had never heard of her before.
Speaker C:I think title algorithm led me to her and led me also to.
Speaker C:I don't know how to pronounce this band's name.
Speaker C:I think it's.
Speaker B:I have to laugh because I'm.
Speaker B:I'm going to make a meme or something for this podcast of unintentionally butchering names left and right, because some of them were on purpose, like, unable to.
Speaker B:To pronounce.
Speaker B:And some of them.
Speaker B:I didn't even know we were doing it wrong.
Speaker B:So we'll just roll with it.
Speaker C:So Dinah Ogon sounds good to me.
Speaker C:That's what we're.
Speaker C:That's what we're going with.
Speaker C:Also from Sweden.
Speaker C:Sounds like the name of a person.
Speaker C:I think it's the name of the band.
Speaker C:Honestly.
Speaker C:I know very little about them, but here, lately, my algorithm kept serving up some of their songs to me.
Speaker C:And every time something of theirs would come on it, like, my ears would park up, perk up, and I'm like, who's that?
Speaker C:And then I'd look and it's like, oh, it's that Swedish band.
Speaker C:But they remind me a little bit of Stereo Lab at times.
Speaker C:And they also have kind of a, like, just a retro sort of vibe that I think is present, like I said, in all three of these.
Speaker C:And maybe it's also tied to me.
Speaker C:I mentioned I recently kind of got back into listening to a lot of vinyl.
Speaker C:These are three exceptions.
Speaker C:But in doing that, I've just been kind of getting into, you know, more of, like, the classic stuff.
Speaker C:So maybe that's what was so appealing to me about these.
Speaker C:But, yeah, I've been digging all of all three of these ladies a whole lot here lately.
Speaker B:So much to talk about with the music specifically.
Speaker B:But both of y' all have mentioned in different ways how you're finding music these days.
Speaker B:And I know, Kim, you're lucking out with the title algorithm serving you up the right way.
Speaker B:Amanda, how are you finding music?
Speaker D:So very much the same.
Speaker D:I spend.
Speaker D:I spend a lot of time on.
Speaker D:On social media, and that's usually where songs are being fed to me, like, where I'll find.
Speaker D:Where I'll find new stuff.
Speaker D:But I also.
Speaker D:I also just like, really depend on my, like, friend.
Speaker D:Friend network to send me things that they're into.
Speaker D:And listening to, like Waxahachie came to me from my friend Katie.
Speaker D:We love sharing music with each other.
Speaker D:I just have a lot of fellow music lovers in my friend group, so we love when we come across something cool that we think each other would like, we share it.
Speaker D:And so I very much value their opinions.
Speaker B:That's really nice.
Speaker B:And honestly, it's kind of rare to have friends who also like music that you might like.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:So I will say, like, we.
Speaker D:We all have various.
Speaker D:Especially my closest friends.
Speaker D:We have varying degrees of.
Speaker D:Of what we all like.
Speaker D:I'm very much the country Americana.
Speaker D:And I'll say, like, my friend Katie is more of the, like, indie pop or like the My Chemical Romance type of music.
Speaker D:And like, my husband is also.
Speaker D:He's a musician, and so he finds stuff he's really into, like bluegrass.
Speaker D:So it's.
Speaker D:It's rare that we find something that just fits, like, all of our, like, musical genres.
Speaker D:And so when we find something cool, we share it.
Speaker B:You get out to some live music fairly often as well.
Speaker B:What's been fun for you recently or that you have?
Speaker D:Coming up, y', all, we're getting ready to see.
Speaker D:We're going to see Jason, Isabel and the 400 unit in at Red Rocks the first weekend of May, and then we're actually going to see Tyler Childers in Birmingham.
Speaker D:The first week of June.
Speaker C:Oh, nice.
Speaker D:So very excited.
Speaker D:This is my first time seeing Tyler, and we're going to.
Speaker D:I think it's the Coca Cola Amphitheater in Birmingham, and I haven't as far.
Speaker D:I think that they actually, if I'm right, they tore down the amphitheater and rebuilt it since I've last been there.
Speaker D:So I'm very interested to check it out and experience some music there.
Speaker B:Yeah, I haven't been to a large venue in Birmingham ever.
Speaker B:I've been to a bunch of the smaller places, so I would be very interested to hear about that.
Speaker B:Kim, you're.
Speaker B:You're one of the folks in our group who not only is knowledgeable about music and a fan of music, but you write and you play and you perform and you have.
Speaker B:You have just a lot of different experience in what's going.
Speaker B:Been going on in the world of music.
Speaker B:What's been exciting for you with live music lately?
Speaker C:Let's see here.
Speaker C:Lately.
Speaker C:Gosh.
Speaker C:Other than, like, bands that my own band has played with, I think the most recent shows I went to were my husband and I went to see this kind of, like, emo punk, like, younger band.
Speaker C:Their name is Michael Sarah Palin.
Speaker B:Oh, I love that.
Speaker C:Yeah, they're from Atlanta, but I didn't really.
Speaker C:I never saw them in Atlanta.
Speaker C:We became familiar with them because we.
Speaker C:We go to this big festival.
Speaker C:Well, I say big a festival, but it's very, like, anti.
Speaker C:Like kind of corporate.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's just called festival down in Gainesville, Florida.
Speaker C:Yeah, we've gone, like, the past couple of years, and Michael Sarah Palin played in this past one, and we just loved them.
Speaker C:So we went to see them at Radio Room in Greenville, I guess about a month.
Speaker C:I love that place.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's great.
Speaker C:Yes, that's an awesome venue.
Speaker C:Sounds really good.
Speaker C:And then, like, you can stand, you know, anywhere and.
Speaker C:And see really well.
Speaker C:So, yeah, that was recent.
Speaker C:That was great.
Speaker C:And then we also went to see the.
Speaker C:The Dylan Vince reunion Check.
Speaker C:They did, I guess, about like, maybe four dates in a row, you know, around the Carolinas a couple months ago.
Speaker C:And we went to that show when they played it, Neighborhood Theater in Charlotte.
Speaker C:I think that's the most recent shows, like I said, other than, like, shows that I've been at, because I played at them.
Speaker B:Well, so tell us a little bit more about what you've been playing lately.
Speaker C:Well, I play in a punk band named Y' All Are, and we.
Speaker C:We've been playing a lot.
Speaker C:I also solo stuff, and I Haven't been playing as much here lately because I tend to take the winter off just because, as I mentioned earlier, I just don't like winter.
Speaker C:But y' all are been playing a good bit and you know, we like to talk about dive bars on this show.
Speaker C:Y' all are.
Speaker C:Last show was at.
Speaker C:Man, it is the quintessential dive bar.
Speaker C:It's in Piedmont, South Carolina.
Speaker C:It's called Tribbles.
Speaker C:And what a delightful place that was.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Cannot judge a book by its cover, or at least you.
Speaker C:I love a place like that.
Speaker C:And that's how it was because I will admit when we first pulled in, because, you know, I mean, I'm just very.
Speaker C:I'm a pacifist.
Speaker C:And even though I play punk rock, I am like, so, I don't know, I don't want to say, like, timid, but I'm pretty low key and kind of shy and quiet until you get to know me and then I'm not at all.
Speaker C:But anyway, pulling into this.
Speaker C:This new place in this like, little rural area that I've never been to before, and I. I don't know, just.
Speaker C:It gave this like, biker bar vibe, which can be super cool, which I learned, or it can be, you know, a little bit intimidating if.
Speaker C:If you're there for like the first time.
Speaker C:Right, sure.
Speaker C:But, man, the people could not have been nicer there.
Speaker C:We had such a great time.
Speaker C:It was so chill.
Speaker C:They have a pretty amazing green room, which was really.
Speaker C:That was surprising too, just from like, the looks of the place, you know, I mean, their green room is basically like kind of like separate quarters beside the bar.
Speaker C:And it's an enormous room.
Speaker C:And like, they had like a whole, like taco spread out for us and everything.
Speaker C:Oh, that's cool.
Speaker C:Yeah, like, lots of seat couches.
Speaker C:Just.
Speaker C:It was like, super relaxing.
Speaker C:But yeah, that very, very cool place.
Speaker C:Like, I look forward to going there again.
Speaker C:And like I said, it was.
Speaker C:It was not what I necessarily expected as soon as we pulled up, which was great.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I love a story like that.
Speaker B:Well, so when you work on your solo stuff, which is by genre quite different, do you look to play out with that or is that more something that you're doing to express differently?
Speaker B:Hmm.
Speaker C:I mean, I do.
Speaker C: o stuff in, gosh, like around: Speaker C:So, I mean, I've basically gone through the cycles, you know, like, if I release something, then I'll try to play some shows to support that.
Speaker C:But I'VE never really been big for, like, doing very extensive tours.
Speaker C:I'll do some short ones, but honestly, more and more, I'm kind of getting back to just very, I guess, like, intimate performances.
Speaker C:And around here, around the Charlotte area where I live, there's a lot of, like, songwriter in the round shows that, like, people might set up, like, several different songwriters I know, like, just, for example, might have, like, you know, the first Wednesday of the month at a place.
Speaker C:Like this guy.
Speaker C:His name is Mike Alec.
Speaker C:Wonderful guitar player.
Speaker C:He does an.
Speaker C:Around different places, and I've done his, you know, several times.
Speaker C:There's one that David Childers does, and David Childers is amazing if you've never heard his legacy yet.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So he's.
Speaker C:He's from just up the road from me, and so my.
Speaker C:Our paths cross a lot.
Speaker C:He does a lot of things, and he's.
Speaker C:He's really supportive of songwriters like myself who maybe aren't as known as him.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, I mean, I. I don't play.
Speaker C:I. I'm not doing as much with my own stuff as I am with y' all are main, mainly because I just can't.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:You know, there's so many hours in the day and days in the week.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:But, yeah, I do.
Speaker C:I do what I can.
Speaker C:I kind of.
Speaker C:I tend to go through little stints where it's like, I'll do a good bit for a while, and then I'm like, okay, I need to take a little break from that for a while.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's cool.
Speaker B:Well, so I'm curious, as we get back to the songs that y' all picked.
Speaker B:Amanda, how did you end up finding Waxahachie?
Speaker D:Okay, so Waxahachie was actually recommended to me by my friend Katie.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:She's been following them for a while, and she shared them with me because Waxahachie played Shoals Fest last fall, and so which is actually a music festival in Muscle Shoals put on by Jason Isbull.
Speaker D:And so she showed me the flyer, and I was like, oh, I definitely need to check them out.
Speaker D:So started listening.
Speaker D:Started listening to their music, and then really found that I just.
Speaker D:I loved the sound.
Speaker D:I loved the tenure.
Speaker D:It just.
Speaker D:It has that feeling of indie, Americana, country, like, all mixed into one.
Speaker D:But I also love.
Speaker D:I love.
Speaker D:Actually, I think the lead singer's name is Katie.
Speaker D:And I'm saying this too.
Speaker D:Katie and Katie, but love Katie Crutchfield.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:I love Katie's voice.
Speaker D:The sound of her voice is just so strong but soothing and So I just keep going back to.
Speaker D:And I just love the play on her voice, the softness and strength next to MJ's voice on the song I chose.
Speaker D:But I know they've done several, like, duets together, but just love hearing, like, the.
Speaker D:The mix of their voices together.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I was familiar with her stuff, but I had not heard the more recent things that.
Speaker B:With MJ and Linderman.
Speaker B:And so I was like, oh, I like this.
Speaker B:I think she's got something with her sister perhaps, as well, like Crutchfield sisters or something like that.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Snow Cat.
Speaker C:So good.
Speaker D:Yep.
Speaker B:Snow Cat.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Love it.
Speaker D:It's beautiful.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:I was actually listening.
Speaker D:Listening to that earlier today, and I was like, man, it's just so cool, like, talking about, like, Kim.
Speaker D:That's why I love that you chose all.
Speaker D:All women, because it just feels like the music industry so many times, especially in the country music field, are not putting, like, putting women's music forth.
Speaker D:It's so.
Speaker D:It's just, like, so male generated.
Speaker D:So I just love hearing.
Speaker D:Just loved hearing Katie and her sister on snow caps and just hearing their voices, like, blend together.
Speaker D:The harmonies are incredible.
Speaker D:So definitely a fan of, like, all of all of Katie's music in her different ventures.
Speaker C:Yeah, I am, too.
Speaker C:I love everything that she does.
Speaker C:And we saw MJ last year, I guess, at Orange Peel, and that was great.
Speaker B:Oh, cool.
Speaker B:That's a great venue, too.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, it totally is.
Speaker C:And I remember hearing.
Speaker C:Because I love, love, love that track that you chose, Amanda.
Speaker C:I agree.
Speaker C:I love their voices together.
Speaker C:And I remember when that tune first came out, I was.
Speaker C:I think I was watching, like, an interview with Katie, and she was talking about how when MJ came into the studio, I guess, to sing on that track or whatever, that she kind of had a certain harmony in mind for him.
Speaker C:But what he came up with was, like, not at all what she would have planned, but she was like, oh, wow.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker C:Let's just do that.
Speaker C:And she was talking about how he really just kind of stepped up and was like, hey, what about this?
Speaker C:And she's like, oh, well, I didn't think that at all, but that's amazing.
Speaker C:So anyway, yeah, they're.
Speaker C:They seem like they work, like, super cool together.
Speaker D:I love that.
Speaker D:I love the story.
Speaker D:I didn't know that.
Speaker D:So the first time I watched, like, the music video, and it's them together, like, on a boat.
Speaker D:It looks like they're floating through, like.
Speaker D:I know it looks like some.
Speaker D:Somewhere in, like, Louisiana, like a swamp area.
Speaker D:And I was fascinated with.
Speaker D:Honestly, like, with the tone that MJ chose, and I just thought.
Speaker D:I just thought it was so cool, like, compared to comparing it to Katie's voice and how they.
Speaker D:How they were playing off of one another in the song.
Speaker B:I love getting to hear y' all talk about this.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm a nerd.
Speaker B:For me.
Speaker B:No, I love it.
Speaker B:It's the best thing ever.
Speaker B:But, Amanda, you were mentioning about the role of women in country music, and I worked in pop country commercial radio for a very long time, and we actually had a rule where we were not allowed to play women back to back, so I would do it anyway, but.
Speaker D:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:So it's actually.
Speaker B:It's really funny that I'm just now thinking about the fact that.
Speaker B: her podcast I started back in: Speaker B:And I did it on purpose so that I could focus on women without saying I'm focusing on women, and I would just, like, coincidentally, only focus on particular women songwriters without ever stating it overtly.
Speaker B:And so it was just kind of a way to skirt the rules without breaking the rules.
Speaker B:And it just kind of led to this whole deep dive for me into learning more about what was going on behind the music.
Speaker B:Because even though I'd worked in radio for a long time, at that point, I was never the person who could tell you who wrote what song or who played in what band or the overlap of one band to another, unless there were bands that I knew in real life.
Speaker B:And so it kind of opened me up to that.
Speaker B:So all that world of learning about who.
Speaker B:Who plays together, who works together, and how that overlaps is kind of relatively new for me.
Speaker B:I mean, it's only been the last.
Speaker B:You know, I guess it's not that new at this point.
Speaker B:I guess we're coming up on, like, 20 years, but it seems new.
Speaker B:It seems new, but it brings fresh things to music.
Speaker B:And I think that's one of the things that's been interesting to me about the kind of professional and songwriting arc of Jason Isbell.
Speaker B:And I'm sure you're way more knowledgeable than I, because I knew Jason back in the old Drive by Truckers days and then kind of lost track of what he was doing musically until, I guess, Southeastern maybe.
Speaker B:And then, for whatever reason, I was working in a different genre, and so I missed a couple more records after that.
Speaker B:So I'm not actually super knowledgeable with how he ended up where he is now, because I listened to this recent track and the recent album, and I was like, oh, he's grown.
Speaker B:Growth is good.
Speaker B:But I don't have, like, the story behind where that musical arc went.
Speaker D:Oh, man.
Speaker D:So as a Jason, I guess, super fan, I will say I've.
Speaker D:I loved.
Speaker D:Actually, I will recommend.
Speaker D:There's a documentary that came on hbo.
Speaker D:It was filmed during the pandemic called Running with.
Speaker D:Running With Our Eyes Closed.
Speaker B:Oh, I don't know about this.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:So this is.
Speaker D:I also will say, like, this is Jason and was still married to Amanda Shires during that point when the documentary was filmed.
Speaker D:And so it was a peek into the making of the album reunions, and you got a very.
Speaker D:You got a great peek into his, like, songwriting methods and how he, like, would fine tune the lyrics.
Speaker D:But he, you know, he carries.
Speaker D:Carries essentially, like, a journal with him and, like, you know, drops down ideas and the shapes the songs that way.
Speaker D:And it was very interesting because it featured, of course, the documentary, like, featured his family, featured his mother, featured his father, and they shared that.
Speaker D:You know, Jason writes from all of his real life experiences and he.
Speaker D:His mom.
Speaker D:One of the songs that he.
Speaker D:That was on that album was called Dreamsicle, and it was about essentially, like, a night that his mom, when he was a child, like, took him to a hotel because things were going.
Speaker D:Things were very bad between the mom and dad.
Speaker D:And he remembered so much of that detail.
Speaker D:Like, he remembered the type of ice cream that she bought him and the type of baseball card that she got him to try to, like, distract him from the sadness.
Speaker D:So they were essentially saying, if Jason will.
Speaker D:Jason remembers everything and Jason will put it into a song.
Speaker D:So it was funny, too, because the dad, you knew the dad was like, yeah, if you don't want to, definitely don't do something bad or it's going to end up in a lyric.
Speaker D:But he was saying it in a joking way.
Speaker D:Yeah, but I can tell that he uses.
Speaker D:Uses songwriting as a tool to work through, you know, to work through so many things in life.
Speaker D:And that I think that's why his music resonates, at least with me, very much.
Speaker D:Like, I grew up in Alabama.
Speaker D:I relate so much to a lot of his songs.
Speaker D:I speak about, like, being from Alabama, having ties to, you know, having ties to your Southern roots, but also it being very bittersweet.
Speaker D:And so there's beauty in where we grew up, but there's also an underlying ugliness and so much and so much of it, which is like the racism and plat, you know, class warfare.
Speaker D:I think in something more than free, that's something that he.
Speaker D:That he's really talks about.
Speaker D:So I. I think that's, at least for me, like, how I became a super fan was like the growth from southeastern to where we are now at Foxes in the Snow is.
Speaker D:You can tell that he, you know, he tells stories from his true life, but he's also working through things and remembering them and sometimes trying to come to terms with them.
Speaker D:Like, especially when he's talking about being a Southern man and being told, like, you know, to be strong and silent and you don't talk about your emotions.
Speaker D:I could definitely relate to that a lot because as.
Speaker D:Even though I'm not.
Speaker D:I'm not a Southern man, but as a Southern woman, like, we were told, you know, be seen and not heard, like, keep.
Speaker D:Keep sweet.
Speaker D:Like, that was the best compliment you could get was that, you know, so and so is sweet.
Speaker D:Well, that means that you're just like, quiet as a mouse.
Speaker D:So, yeah, I definitely just relate to so much of his lyricism, working through what it means to be Southern in this modern day.
Speaker B:But also, though, when you were talking, Amanda, it got me thinking just in terms of songwriting in general.
Speaker B:Kim, you're.
Speaker B:You're the songwriter.
Speaker B:Well, actually, Amanda, you're a writer as well.
Speaker B:Different kind, but you're a writer.
Speaker B:But when you all are writing, is that something that you are more of an autobiographical person, whether in terms of content or in terms of theme?
Speaker B:Or is it more filling a different role for you creatively?
Speaker C:I'm definitely autobiographical most all the time.
Speaker C:Like it.
Speaker C:I was kind of challenged without going into the whole story several years ago to buy someone like, in the quote industry to try to write a little less personal.
Speaker C:I kind of doubled down as a response to that and wrote even more
Speaker B:personal there for a little bit.
Speaker C:But it's.
Speaker C:It was an interesting exercise.
Speaker C:I did take it to heart eventually and tried to write some stuff that's.
Speaker C:That's not really about me, like more third person stuff, which can be really cool.
Speaker C:And I greatly respect people who are able to do that and tell a story.
Speaker C:And you.
Speaker C:It's like so descriptive and you feel like you know this person, but the.
Speaker C:The writer or the singer, like, is not that person.
Speaker C:I think that's wonderful.
Speaker C:And I. I'm trying to write a novel where I'm doing that and it's like, not about me.
Speaker C:And it's a really neat exercise.
Speaker C:That was it's, like, so new for me and so novel for me.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Ah.
Speaker B:So, Amanda.
Speaker B:Amanda, you and Kim need to talk about that.
Speaker D:I'm also working on the novel, so I would.
Speaker D:I would absolutely love to chat offline.
Speaker C:Heck, yeah.
Speaker C:We should.
Speaker D:So I've.
Speaker D:As a writer, when I write poems, I'm definitely writing, like, autobiographically.
Speaker D:And then in my prior life, when I did entertainment writing, I really.
Speaker D:I put a little bit of myself in each of the articles, if I could just, like, finding a way to, like, relate to the.
Speaker D:To the readers.
Speaker D:And then now working on a novel, I do find myself sometimes, like, putting pieces of me into characters, like different stories that I want to share.
Speaker D:But, yes, it is a very different exercise, like, writing.
Speaker D:Like, I feel like it's writing externally, like writing outside of yourself and telling, you know, telling a story very different than what I've ever done.
Speaker D:But I'm enjoying it.
Speaker C:It's fun, isn't it?
Speaker C:Like, I was surprised when I kind of just started doing it on a whim and literally had.
Speaker C:Had not done anything like that, like, writing fiction in, like, probably since I was a kid, and it just felt like such an escape.
Speaker C:It's really.
Speaker C:It's really, really cool.
Speaker D:I was just going to say, Kim, you'll have to tell me what your.
Speaker D:What your novel's about, because that's my favorite part right now, like, when I'm talking to fellow writers is, like, learning what everybody's working on.
Speaker C:It's about art, but.
Speaker B:Yeah, can I drag it out of you?
Speaker B:All
Speaker C:it's about art is about making art.
Speaker D:Oh, I love that.
Speaker D:So I have had two that are in the works.
Speaker D:Like, the first.
Speaker D:The first book I'm working on that is based on my grandfather who.
Speaker D: hauling moonshine back in the: Speaker D:And I'm talking about.
Speaker D:It's going to be like.
Speaker D:It's based upon my hometown and how all of the, you know, industries that were there, like, the factories that were there, were closing over time.
Speaker D:And so how these men were trying to find a way to still, like, feed their families.
Speaker D:And then because it's based in Appalachia, and I. I'm such a passionate, like, music lover.
Speaker D:I'm always trying to find ways to tie music into, you know, like, tie Thai music into the book in some way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, what's your hometown?
Speaker D:So I grew up in.
Speaker D:This is going to sound crazy, y'.
Speaker C:All.
Speaker D:A tiny, tiny community called Muscadine, Alabama.
Speaker D:Truly.
Speaker D:There's nothing there.
Speaker D:There's no.
Speaker D:There's, like, A there's like a gas station and that's it.
Speaker D:And then When I was 13, we moved across the state land into Georgia to a also tiny town called Tallapoosa, Georgia.
Speaker D:And that is where like my grandparents lived was in, in Tallapoosa.
Speaker D:So we had grandparents.
Speaker D:My, some of my aunts were there.
Speaker D:And it is still, still a very tiny town, but that will be where the book is set is in Tallapoosa.
Speaker C:Amazing names for both of those towns.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:I'm a little, I'm curious if you are familiar at all with Tyler Childer's charitable organization called Healing Appalachia.
Speaker D:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker D:So I'm very, I work in the nonprofit sector now, so I very much follow his work and have been astonished at all that he has been able to accomplish, especially in the wake of the floods in Kentucky.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And just very impressed with how him and many of his like friends and colleagues came together to try to raise as much money as possible for the area.
Speaker D:But I also just really have appreciated that so many times when a disaster like this happens, there's an influx of giving and then the media attention goes away.
Speaker D:And so Tyler has really tried to make sure that the story continues.
Speaker D:He continues sharing like where they are in disaster recovery and what still needs to be accomplished.
Speaker B:One of the things that both of you, I believe are quite familiar with in terms of natural disaster or any sort of other crisis that leads to people needing outside support is the role of outsiders in actually providing help versus providing help that makes the donor feel like they're doing something that isn't necessarily helpful.
Speaker B: e I was living at the time of: Speaker B:And I ended up working with one of our food banks for many years afterwards because I saw the response that they were able to do.
Speaker B:And the thing that I, I learned in that circumstance was that cash donations to existing local nonprofits meant more than anything.
Speaker B:The biggest problem we dealt with was these well meaning people showing up in pickup trucks full of say, bottled water.
Speaker B:Okay, sounds super helpful.
Speaker B:But we had no logistics to distribute that water because the roads had washed away because of flooding.
Speaker B:And so the people who thought they were helping were actually creating more problems.
Speaker B:And, and that's what I like about what Tyler is doing with Healing Appalachia is that he's not only keeping the focus on the things that still need to happen quite some time later, but also integrating those who are already local and already have those networks Breaking such a great point.
Speaker D: lunteer relief was In I guess: Speaker D:And that's when I realized there are so many well meaning folks out there.
Speaker D:But if you don't have, if they're not aware of like the proper logistics, then it does become a logistical nightmare.
Speaker D:So really trying to find out what is needed where is so important in the wake of disaster relief.
Speaker D:So yeah, I've been incredibly impressed with healing Appalachia and everything that they are have.
Speaker D:The focus is exactly where it should be, which is on the folks that need support.
Speaker D:But truly raising up exactly what kind of support is needed and like you said, utilizing the organizations that already have like the boots on the ground and
Speaker B:also not overlooking the mental health impact of disasters such as that.
Speaker B:That's, that that is what has stood out to me about healing Appalachia.
Speaker C:That's great.
Speaker D:About Hurricane Helene.
Speaker D:Hurricane Helene, when it came through and I was being fed so many videos of folks who had just lost everything, you know, lost their home, everything had, had washed away.
Speaker D:And they were, you know, trying to get support of, you know, housing or, or food.
Speaker D:And that was really what struck me was like, there's so much long term support that's going to be needed after a disaster like that.
Speaker D:And mental health is so imperative to like rebuilding a life.
Speaker D:So Tyler's done an incredible job with making sure like it's not just housing or food support, it's also the mental health support that you really need to get back on your feet.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:And you know, I think it kind of goes back to what we were talking about at the beginning of today was escapism and solace in music is not mental health therapy.
Speaker B:However, it is a way of self soothing that many of us do have access to and that does play a role for big and small and that, you know, you don't have to have had huge personal trauma to still need that support.
Speaker B:So on happier notes, what creatively or musically do y' all have coming up in the next couple months that you're excited about?
Speaker B:I know, Amanda, we're excited.
Speaker B:I'm excited about your travels.
Speaker B:I can't wait to hear all about those.
Speaker C:I'm doing some shows.
Speaker C:I am doing some of my own shows at the end of April, beginning of May.
Speaker B:Oh, nice.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm doing four dates with my friend John Harrison.
Speaker C:He performs under the name J Phono1 and he lives in Chapel Hill.
Speaker C:Area.
Speaker C:And we do that every.
Speaker C:Every few years or so.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker C:We get together and do just, like, a short stint.
Speaker C:So I'm very much looking forward to that.
Speaker C:And I might have something next month, but I can't quite announce it yet.
Speaker B:Once it's public, we'll.
Speaker B:We'll share that info for sure.
Speaker B:Will you.
Speaker B:For those dates with your buddy, will y' all be playing in North Carolina?
Speaker C:Yeah, we're playing in Greensboro and Chapel Hill, The Cave.
Speaker C:I'm looking so forward to going back there.
Speaker C:It's been a long time since I played there.
Speaker C:A show in Wilmington and then house show in Fort Mill, South Carolina.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:So that's.
Speaker B:That's some driving all the way to Wilmington.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:I know that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:That will be.
Speaker C:We're going.
Speaker C:It's a little back and forth, but that's just how it worked out.
Speaker C:And it'll be.
Speaker C:Be good.
Speaker B:Very cool.
Speaker B:Very cool.
Speaker B:We'll make sure to share some of that.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker B:Amanda, any other little festivals or anything that you've got your sights on?
Speaker B:I'm definitely hoping.
Speaker D:I'm hoping this year to go to Shoals Fest.
Speaker D:That the one that takes place at Muscle Shoals.
Speaker D:I've never been there, and honestly, I have a, like, bucket list of wanting to go visit all of, like, the hubs of the music I love so much.
Speaker D:So I want to, like, tour.
Speaker D:Tour Muscle Shoals, visit Macon and visit Memphis.
Speaker D:I want to see the home of where all the music came from that I love so much.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:So personal recommendation.
Speaker B:If you're going to make in, call ahead and book some appointments because some of the places are not open every day.
Speaker D:Good to know.
Speaker B:And some of them are open kind of like alternate random Thursday because we feel like it, but maybe not.
Speaker B:So plan ahead.
Speaker D:Definitely.
Speaker D:When I visit, like, the big house while I'm there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:And then I know Capricorn Records is not.
Speaker D:It's not there anymore as far as I know.
Speaker D:But I just want to, like, pay my homage.
Speaker B:They've got new Capricorn that's part of Mercer and.
Speaker B:But book an appointment with them.
Speaker B:But also, you can go out to the cemetery.
Speaker B:Is actually really interesting.
Speaker B:I don't know about y'.
Speaker C:All.
Speaker B:I'm a super weirdo that grew up in, like, Atlanta cemeteries.
Speaker B:People, like, picnic at the cemeteries.
Speaker B:It's like, a thing.
Speaker B:It's public.
Speaker B:So the cemetery in Macon is very similar.
Speaker B:Like, you should definitely go.
Speaker D:Oh, I'll definitely check it out.
Speaker D:Because I love.
Speaker D:I mean, Sloan, I do love a good cemetery of, like, Oakland.
Speaker B:I love A good cemetery.
Speaker B:I. I'm your person.
Speaker D:Yes, it's perfect.
Speaker D:But, yeah, definitely trying to.
Speaker D:Definitely trying to spend as much time as we can, like, visiting, you know, hitting up concerts this year.
Speaker D:I know, like, Tedeschi Trucks is also coming in April.
Speaker D:I haven't bought tickets for that yet, like, coming to Ameris bank in Alpharetta.
Speaker D:So I'm just hoping, like, there's so much bad is happening out there, and I just feel like investing in what.
Speaker D:In.
Speaker D:In what makes us happy is always a good investment, especially at times like these.
Speaker D:So that's where I'm investing my time this year.
Speaker B:I get it.
Speaker B:I get it.
Speaker B:Well, Kim Ware and Amanda Miles, I sure appreciate y' all coming on to share today, especially the songs.
Speaker B:I can't wait for folks to get to listen to this playlist because it really does have a vibe when all of these songs go together, and it kind of makes me excited to hear stuff like that.
Speaker B:And especially because, Kim, you always find music that is not at all in my wheelhouse.
Speaker B:So I'm always like, oh, yay, I don't know anything about this.
Speaker B:Oh, yay, I don't anything about this.
Speaker B:And funny.
Speaker B:Quick little side note, I tried to do homework on these two Swedish artists that you brought, and for one of them in particular, I could only find articles in Swedish.
Speaker B:And then when I translated them, it was the same article word for word on different websites.
Speaker C:Oh, gosh.
Speaker C:Oh, well.
Speaker B:So I know nothing.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, I mean, like I said, I know very, very little, but I'm.
Speaker C:Oh, well, we can still love what we hear.
Speaker B:Yeah, the music is great.
Speaker B:Yeah, right?
Speaker B:I wish I could be more informed.
Speaker B:But anyway, we'll have all of that available for everybody in the show notes when we put these podcasts out.
Speaker B:And I always link to the playlists as well.
Speaker B:But both of y', all, thank you so much for joining me here this time on Dive Bar Music Club.
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